he's got to find some way to blunt it and he's got it make a stronger case fort obama administration and two, a stronger case against mitt romney than barak obama did last week. >> shep: is it your sense that this is turning on the national scale and it is in the big three on the east coast, but what's up with ohio? >> well, it's interesting. ohio -- actually a few states in the midwest. i don't think it's just ohio. wisconsin, look at iowa. part of it may be that it's the rust belt. certainly in the case of ohio is one out of eight jobs depends on the automobile industry and so people there remember the obama bailout of the auto industry and that helps a lot. there may be some regional differences. i don't think it's just one state. on the other hand, i do believe a rising tide lifts all boats. if romney starts to build support around the country, it will also increase in ohio and iowa and wisconsin states that are a little more resistance. conversely if he starts to sink, you'll see that in the swing states as well as the national polls. >> shep: sometimes it matters largely on how